Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
Come on, get him up now.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: What is up, Kingdom Bound family? I am Mike Wing, the associate director, Kingdom Bound Ministries. I am joined by two. Thank you. Yes, I did get an upgrade in job description and title, so thank you very much, Chris.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: I am the assistant to the associate director. You are assistant, though. You are the manager. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that's what I was going for.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: You're my Dwight. My Dwight for sure.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: But this.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: I'm joined by two really cool people today. Chris Parker, as usual.
Like I called you in the past episode, man. Yes, sir.
[00:00:43] Speaker A: I relistened to that. And I. I even blushed at home.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Did your seat get hot at home too?
Say things like that?
[00:00:55] Speaker C: It's okay. They can fix it in post.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Chris, anything new with you? Well, not really. All right. How's the painting business?
[00:01:04] Speaker A: It's actually going pretty. I sprayed a ceiling black the other day. Yeah, actually, two days.
[00:01:09] Speaker B: You were a little concerned.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: You were a little concerned about seeing my fingernails. Can you see it?
[00:01:12] Speaker B: You're. You're. The chemicals you were breathing in. You were pretty nervous.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: I don't want to die young, but it's part of the profession, I think.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: My dad was a painter as well. He can't smell Fred. And can you. How's your taste buds?
[00:01:27] Speaker A: My taste buds are good, but you know. You know how some people lost smell during the Covids? Oh, I did lose smell during the coven and then I got it back and somewhere in there I must have gotten the COVID again because I can't smell anything.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: I think it's because you're a painter.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: It's fried.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: Huffing all that spray paint.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: I'm a. Yeah.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: All right, that's enough of us. We also have another amazing guest with us that we get to hang out with the whole episode today. Normally we have, like, just, you know, interviews.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: But Kelly is.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Local.
She is so nice to have joined us. Thank you so much for being glad to be here.
Kelly, she works for, writes for, produces for, does, podcasts and videos and all sorts of stuff for today's Christian entertainment.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: What's the abbreviation on that?
[00:02:18] Speaker C: Tce.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Tce.
Did you have to ask that question? It's.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Well, sometimes it's not. It's not obvious.
How would you pronounce tce?
[00:02:27] Speaker C: Like we say Team TCE if we're referring to the people who work with us.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: Like, what do you do? The hands in on three Team tce?
[00:02:35] Speaker A: We should, dad. No, you don't.
[00:02:37] Speaker C: Well, we're rarely ever, like, together in person because I work up here. And the founder, he's from Florida, so it's kind of hard. We got together all in Nashville last year for the Dove Awards, which was amazing. So that was pretty cool.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: You were at the Dove Awards, too, weren't you?
[00:02:50] Speaker B: I was.
I was telling Chris the other day about Torn Welles. Bit about getting cc'd, and it was hilarious, so. And he's. We just had him in the area. Torn Wells.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Sure did.
[00:03:03] Speaker C: Yeah. That was the first time I actually got to go to the award show itself, so that was a really good one to be at. That was amazing. They had a lot of good performances. Yeah. Just a really cool experience.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't wait to see what For King and Country does at the festival after what I saw.
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, for sure.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Super excited to see that. Well, tell us a little bit about yourself. Tell us a little bit about today's Christian Entertainment for those of us. For those that don't know and don't know you.
[00:03:26] Speaker C: All right. Well, I'm a lifelong music lover. I've been going to concerts pretty much since I was, like, 2 years old, so just kind of grown up around music and just. It's kind of been like living and breathing it my whole life, basically. And not so much like the performance side and all that. Never got into that. But I've always loved talking about it and sharing about it and telling people what I'm listening to. And now I get to do that as part of my work with Today's Christian Entertainment Entertainment. So it's cool how everything happens like that.
Just that it's always been a really big interest and favorite conversation topic. If I find a common ground with somebody, we're good to go for a long time.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:03] Speaker C: So I've been with Today's Christian Entertainment for.
Just celebrating 11 years with them, actually. Started out just writing the reviews, and then our site founder, Jay Heilman, he asked if I would be interested in helping update the site or doing spots for the podcast called Kingdom Builder.
So I started doing that, and that led into interviews, which now I'm almost at a hundred that I've done since 2018. And you know something really funny today I was looking in my Facebook memories, and today is actually the anniversary of my very first interview ever.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: What?
[00:04:37] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:04:38] Speaker C: He was your first?
[00:04:39] Speaker B: Who was your first?
[00:04:39] Speaker C: So it was actually Richard Sterbin from the Oak Ridge Boys. Yeah. And I grew up on country music and Southern gospel, so that was a really cool one to have be like, first one to get to talk to him and about their. They were doing A gospel album at the time. So, like I said, this was back in 2018.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: So if you could choose anyone to be your 100th, who would it be?
[00:05:02] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: I mean, I'm available.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: Well, you never know, so it's kind of funny. I already have one scheduled for next week, so I already know who it's going to be. Yeah. Unless I get a random one that pops up before then, but it's going to be Kay Thompson, by the looks of things.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:05:22] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Nice. You have to do, like, something special. You got to get, like, balloons or something in the background.
Come on. You got to.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: Golden ones.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: You know, like 30th birthday.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: Yeah, you have to. You got.
[00:05:35] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: You got to get confetti. Get, like a confetti gun. Yeah, we know people.
I'll do it in the background for you. I'll be off camera shooting the confetti for you.
That I would. No, that. That's the glitter.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: Oh, glitter.
That'll be on everywhere. You'll never get it all.
[00:05:51] Speaker C: No, we don't want that.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Seriously. No, that's 100 is a. That's a big deal.
[00:05:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm pretty. I don't know. It's so crazy to think about it because it's like, it doesn't seem like it's been that many. But then when I was. I was. I got curious because I'm like, wow, I've actually. We did a lot last year because we had three hosts for Kingdom Builder, and we did over 100 episodes just last year between the three of us. So I was like, huh, I wonder how many I actually ended up doing. So I was going back through, and I was like, oh, wow. I'm actually close to 100, so pretty cool.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: If you could go back to that girl in 2018.
Do you think she knew?
[00:06:25] Speaker C: No, absolutely not. And that was the first time. 2018 was the first year I went down for the doves, which, like, I always growing up instead of, you know, like, when you think about things that you want to do and you kind of play pretend and be like, oh, yeah, this will be fun. We'll play, you know, play doctor, lawyer, whatever. Nope. I was playing, like, okay, I'm on the red carpet here with so and so and how are you today? What are we doing? And so I was, like, kind of preparing myself without even knowing it.
[00:06:54] Speaker B: That's so cool.
That's cool.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: Yep. So, yeah, dream come true.
[00:06:59] Speaker C: Yep. And it took a while to actually think of it that way, but it's pretty cool how God works things out, and it's just led to so many awesome opportunities. Like, this will be my fifth year coming back for Kingdom Bound, so I'm excited for that and hopefully there'll be maybe more, you know, trips for the doves in the future. We'll see. But it's just been amazing. And then getting the friendships that have formed too over the years is just so unexpected and just an extra blessing.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah, you should. When you go down for the doves, you should.
You should try to, like, get in to one of the CFA meetings, the Christian Festival association meeting, because we go down.
[00:07:39] Speaker C: I didn't know what they were happening until I ran into Dave last year. So.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it might be neat for you to just have, like, lunch with them or something to get connected with other festivals.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: So you should. Look, I can. I can get you a connection.
[00:07:53] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll see what happens.
[00:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
What's your favorite part about the festival? You've been coming for a while. What's your favorite part about the Kingdom?
[00:07:59] Speaker C: Yeah, this will be my fifth year, and it's just. It's so cool to keep coming back. Like, I worked with the summer camp for several years, so it feels like Kingdom Mount Is now summer camp to me because you get to see a lot of the same people every year, and it feels like a big reunion. And, you know, getting to see some of the artists that have been multiple times, like, we are messengers or, um, this will be, I think, for King and countries. They're, I think, maybe the second time I've seen them, but I know they've been several other times.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: At least three, maybe four.
[00:08:26] Speaker C: Yeah. So, I mean, it's just really cool to get to, like, form those relationships over the years with the people. I mean, everyone I've met with Kingdom Mount have been amazing to work with and so helpful and. Yeah, I just. I love the organization, so it's awesome to come back and I'm very grateful that I'm welcome each year.
[00:08:43] Speaker B: So I had to twist Kelly's arm day to take free tickets last year. I'm like, no, you are media. You're not paying to come to our festival. Like, you're. You're helping us promote this thing. And so I. I had to, like, make her.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: She made a. Denote the notion.
She made a donation anyways.
[00:09:01] Speaker C: Donation of time and brain cells and.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: And sweat. We all sweat.
That was so hot.
[00:09:09] Speaker C: I know. It's crazy. Like, it always is. Like, it's either a hundred or it's raining.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: Yes.
Yep.
[00:09:16] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:09:17] Speaker C: That's summer for you.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: That's true. 100 or 8. 100 episodes.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: That's pretty bad.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: You're raining, so to speak.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: She's killing it.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: So we're back. Hey, you know what happened today?
[00:09:32] Speaker B: What had happened? What. What did happen?
[00:09:34] Speaker A: May 3, 1978.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: All right. Remember this?
Hey, Mr. Jimmy man, who am I?
[00:09:42] Speaker B: Kelly. Any ideas?
[00:09:45] Speaker A: I'll go. Why? A call for me?
[00:09:47] Speaker B: I know who it is.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: Oh, who is it?
[00:09:49] Speaker B: Bob Dylan.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: Bob Dylan. He's a great man. You know, he. In his gospel period.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: He did have one.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: I mean, once you become a Christian. Is it all gospel period after that?
[00:10:01] Speaker B: That's the question we're going to kind of talk about today.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Good.
Well, we'll put a pin in it for later.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: Anyways, what did he do?
[00:10:07] Speaker A: He came out with a few, recorded a few songs. Like Slow Train and I Believe in youn or Ain't no Man Righteous. No, not one. You know those songs?
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Mm, I do.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: Thank you. Bob Dylan. You're Bottom of My Heart.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: Your brief period of gospel, but it's all gospel.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: I wish I could sing Ain't no Righteous Man. No, that one.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: You haven't, like, merged that into your worship list yet?
[00:10:37] Speaker A: No, I. But I. I do a couple other ones, you know, like, I throw. I throwing. And I'm free.
Free falling. Yeah, I was throwing that in there.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: What was a really good David Gray one that I heard.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that was with the Bethel.
[00:10:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: It's coming to me. Coming. I'm going to get there. Let go of your heart, hold your hand and think.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: Yes. That blew my face off the first time I heard it.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: You did?
[00:11:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: Were you. Are you a Jesus culture person? You. You like them?
[00:11:08] Speaker C: I've heard some, but not a ton of their music, so I haven't done a deep dive yet.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Deep dive.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: The first time I heard her do that and throw the David Gray lyrics in there. Because I'm a big David Gray fan.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: I was like, oh, my face just melted.
Well, thanks, Chris, for that piece of news on this day in history.
I didn't know you were such a bad Dylan fan.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: I. I mean, I. I mean, didn't he win the. What's the award for poets?
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Oh, man. What is that? It's Mark Twain. Not the Mark Twain. No, that's for sure. That's for. Kind of don't. But anyways, he won an award.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: Yeah. For. Which is traditionally held for, like, authors, writers. Okay. You know, and I mean, his poetry.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:49] Speaker A: Songs. Poetry is.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: I love when he Plays the harmonica.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: I know you do. So you're going to learn how to play it.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, before we go any farther with this podcast, this could not be made possible without our amazing friends from Elam Fellowship and especially Kevin Neville, the guy that does a lot of work behind the scenes. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Elam Fellowship. Check out what Elam Fellowship has going on. What a blessing to be in this conference. Grateful to be a part of this family and to be a part of what God is doing.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: This is a place of transformation. So just being around the presence of the Lord is an opportunity to change. And it's just no greater place to be.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: The lives that have been changed, the profession, prophetic flow over individuals in the services. This thing is so anointing.
[00:12:51] Speaker A: It's been a really powerful experience.
[00:12:54] Speaker B: God is. I think he's sowing the seeds of revival in the fellowship again. I see it everywhere I look, reaffirming the call to ministry on my life.
[00:13:07] Speaker C: So come on out and mark your calendar for 2026.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: So, Kelly and Chris, One of my favorite things at Kingdom Bound is the stuff that happens like at. At, like the late night stuff and stuff that happens. Like we have some fun games in the meadow. There's so much fun.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Silent Disco.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: You were talking. Yes. Yeah. That was an amazing night. There's so much.
[00:13:31] Speaker C: I heard a lot about that.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
We have amazing lineups.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: We bring in amazing bands, we bring in amazing speakers. And just the overall everything that happens on our main stage is awesome. But my favorite stuff is the stuff that happens like in the kids tent and the teen program, the late night stuff, the games.
It really is like heaven for young people.
And so, you know, we always have something late at night that's fun. Like Trish said, the silent disco. This year we're going to have something called paint wars at night, which is going to be really cool.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: Did you sign a waiver for that?
[00:14:08] Speaker B: No, just bring. Just wear clothes that you don't mind getting paint on.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: So you should buy a bunch of merch and ooh.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: And paint it up. And then that would be like exclusive merch.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: Boom.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: That's a fun idea.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: This is bad. As on daylight saving savings.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Maybe we'll have like, maybe we'll get like a special T shirt made.
But we always have late night stuff. Tons of stuff for kids. We have an amazing kids program.
Kingdom Bound isn't just about what happens on stage. It really is an amazing place for families to come and have fun. The camping, there's a sweet amusement park Obviously. And so that's why the Ride of Steel.
Have you ever been on the Ride of Steel?
[00:14:45] Speaker A: That's. It's wonderful.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: You have been on it. Of course. I hate roller coasters. Are you.
[00:14:50] Speaker C: I'm not a roller coaster person. My favorite ride at Darien Lake is the.
Oh, goodness, what's it called? Shipwreck Falls. I like that one. That's favorite.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: That's my wife's favorite.
[00:15:00] Speaker C: That's the one that's like. You get on the raft and you go up the hill and then you go down.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:15:05] Speaker C: Except I.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: So it's good on a hundred degree days.
[00:15:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:08] Speaker A: And incidental on rainy days. Is that what we're saying?
[00:15:11] Speaker B: I have a very traumatic experience about.
About what else is. New rides.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: Experiences At Kingdom Bound.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: At Kingdom Bound, I. I went with a family, and this family loved roller coasters, and I hated roller coasters. I've hated them all my life. And so they would try to get me going, like all throughout the week, they tried to get me to go on. And my excuse would always be, I don't feel like waiting in the long line.
Instead of saying, I'm a total wuss and I don't want to go on a roller coaster, I would blame the
[00:15:37] Speaker A: line, I'll have to go to the bathroom.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: There you go.
And so one day, I think it was like the last day of Kingdom Mound. It's drizzling out.
There's no lines. It's drizzling. It's not raining. They're still running the roller coasters. And the dad of the family turns to me and he looks at me. He's like, it's raining. There's no lines. You're going on every single roller coaster. He didn't give you a shirt? Yes. And so he forced me on every single roller coaster at Dario Lake, except for Rider Steel, because it wasn't there yet.
And that was such a traumatic experience that I still remember it to this day.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: It was so. That the Predator was probably still smooth.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: So, yeah, that was my kingdom bound traumatic experience with roller coasters. But it really is a great time for families, so make sure you get your families. You know what another thing we have is?
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Well, I'm. I'm just on a roller coaster right now.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: You're. You're. Your life's a roller coaster. Yeah, it's a roller coaster of emotions.
You know, another thing that we have. We have meet and greets. We have meet and greets. So in the. One of the last episodes, like a meet raffle. No meet and greet where you get to meet your favorite artists. Oh, remember when we were talking about John Mark McMillan? You he is a huge John Mark McMillan fan. How much would you pay to meet John Mark McMillan?
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Well, let's see. Earn two.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Got a lot of money there.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Looks like I'd pay 700 bucks.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: $700 to beat John Mark McMillan.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: I mean that's what I got.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: I mean if you come to Kingdom Mountain, you could spend a lot less than that and meet some of your favorite artists. We have meet and greets left for passion. Ben Fuller, Kane. We are messengers who would drink if you could meet anyone of announced for
[00:17:21] Speaker C: this year so far. Oh, we are messengers for sure. I love Darren. He's awesome.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: He's cool. He's a cool guy. Yeah. Get your meet and greet passes. You can go to kingdombound.org to buy it.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: 700.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: No, much less than that. Less than 100 even.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Sounds like a discount.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Last bit of KB news that we have for you is we have this really cool event coming up. It has nothing to do with music, but Kingdom bound is the gospel through the arts. Plural, plural. So it's more than just music and what we have in the works. It's kind of in the very beginning stages of planning, but it's something that we're really looking forward to is we are going to be hosting along with an organization called Project Lab, an art gallery at the Sheridan Life, the Sheridan Parkside Life Center. And so it is. Well, it's not on Sheridan, but it's kind of like near Sheridan.
Sheridan Parkside is kind of like it's low income housing and there's a school building over there that Sheridan Parkside Life center bought and now they, they use. And so we are going to do an art gallery in there and we're going to display art from local artists. We're actually going to display some art from the kids that are in the school too. There's a head start program in there.
So we are looking for artists. If you are an artist, visual art, you draw, you paint, you sculpt. We will have a call, it's called an artist call where artists can apply to be a part of it. It'll be on our website, it'll be on our social media. So look for that. If you have questions about it, where would they email us? Chris?
Kbinsiderpodmail.com Right, of course. Kbinsiderpodmail.com if you have questions about this art gallery, if you want to be in the art gallery or you Want to know when it will be? It's going to be sometime in September but email me if you would like information about it because we would love to have as many artists there as possible.
[00:19:16] Speaker C: Yeah, that is a really cool event. I am excited about that because I am a lover of all things creative and all things like different kinds of art forms. So that's going to be awesome. Definitely want to check that out. Yes. And I'll definitely send people over if I can find anyone that I know of that might be interested.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Please do. We're super excited about it. We have first annual art gallery.
So we had some really sad news the last couple months here in the Christian music world.
We lost an amazing artist. Someone. I've heard a lot of stories about him and I've never heard anyone say anything bad about him. Everyone that says anything about Ron Canoli always says good stuff and recently passed away. And the one thing I'm. I'm a little too young for Ron Canoli. I know you guys are a lot too young. You don't you. I don't think either of you even knew who he was.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: I didn't.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So Rod Canoli. So you. Have you ever heard the song Blessing and honor Glory and power be into the ancient of day. Remember that song?
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I did.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: Yeah. He wrote that song you wrote. Lift Him Up Morning into dancing Turn my mom. Yeah, I don't remember how that one goes.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: You know Martin Smith I think just did a. A little rendition or that song.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: He sold over 500000 copies of his album Lift Him Up. He was kind of a pioneer in the worship world, kind of creating like a. He went from just doing it in a church to kind of making it a national and international ministry and so good guy, amazing pioneer in the industry and so you. He will certainly be missed by many. And whenever he came to the festival or did anything with Kingdom Bound, I have heard nothing but good things.
So we lost a. We lost a legend there. Yeah.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: There is some news I'm excited about. Family Force 5.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: They're back.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Back together and I think it's on Warped Tour, right?
[00:21:06] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: They're not even Warped Tour. Yeah. I. I mean I remember being in middle school, everybody was in a warp tour that.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: I remember them being at Kingdom Bound when I was a kid.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: And they came out with these big. The big hands and they would like punch through the air with them and their music was crazy.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Was it mostly tracks for that? I don't remember.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: You're asking a non musician about Something that is very technical.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Did they have music?
[00:21:30] Speaker B: I don't remember.
I just remember the gloves.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: Gloves?
[00:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah, these big hands.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Hulk hands.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: What do you think about them being on the Warp tour, though? Like, they're not coming back to a Christian festival.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: I mean, Warp Tour kind of went away for a while, then came back to us. You know, it's. I mean, for me, it is kind of like the signage. Right. For that.
What they say is we're, we're moving. This next generation is starting to move off on online, back into in person.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: Because they're oversaturated. So it's a good thing.
[00:22:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's cool because I know a lot of people that are like friends of mine. And I wasn't super into Family Force 5, but I know a lot who were. So they're super excited about it. So it's cool to see how they're getting. Like, I know one person, like, I already bought my tickets. I'm going. I can't wait. I've been waiting for this for years. And so she's all excited about it and I think that's awesome. And I know they're super high energy and just kind of crazy at times. So they must put on a really good show for people. I know they did weird jam a while back because a friend of mine went to that and she was like, they were insane.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they put out a good show. They. They were definitely like one of the harder, edgier groups that we brought in. You know who likes them is Donna Russo.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: Okay, that's surprising. Yes.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: 70 year old Donna Russo loves Family Force 5.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Oh, Donna.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: I don't think there's a better title for an album than their type, than their album called Business in the Front, Party in the Back.
Like, there's not a better Christian album, the Christian album title, in my opinion, than that. And it perfectly describes them.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah.
[00:23:07] Speaker C: I just remember the Chainsaw song. That's all I remember.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Yes.
You're gonna go on the war. You're gonna go to Warp tour. Now that they're on it, probably.
[00:23:16] Speaker C: Sure you are.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: I'm going to enter a portal, and that's how I'm going to enter the Warp Tour, through a portal.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Kelly, what do you think about Tripoli coming out with a gospel worship song?
[00:23:29] Speaker C: I think it's interesting because there have been like, under the ccm, like umbrella. There's so many different genres represented. So to get to see people start to kind of cross within those two, like to get out of their own comfort zones. Maybe. And try something new. So that's really cool to see, because I know Tripp's been, like, popular with hip hop and rap and everything. So now to see him, I think it's called brag worship that he's in now.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:53] Speaker C: So it's cool to see just something different from someone that you might not have expected it coming from.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: I like the song a lot. I. I was telling Chris it's kind of like a mix of spoken word and rap and worship all in one. I thought it was pretty cool.
Let's. Let's dive into this a little bit more. Why do you think.
And this is for both of you. Why do you think more artists are kind of diving into the worship genre? Like, why. Why would. Why. Why do you think someone like Trip Lee wanted to do it? Because he's a famous rapper. He's also a famous speaker. He's a very good speaker. Why do you think it was something that he wanted to kind of tackle?
[00:24:33] Speaker C: Well, I think it could be a few different things. I know, for one, like, worship has become very popular, and people see that, and so they want to try to maybe say, like, oh, if people like this, then they'll like my version of it. Or maybe they want to give their own version of it to fans who maybe they aren't going to turn on a worship song normally, but if Tripoli is doing it, then his fans will turn it on and be like, okay, this is something totally different, and it could take us to just a different place in music. So I think in that aspect, it's cool. And like I said, there's just a lot of it going on right now. It has been for the past, I don't even know, decade seems like, because we had all the, like, hillsong and just everything that was just so popular.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:17] Speaker C: So I think when people see that, they kind of maybe want to try it out and see how it does for them, but also maybe it's on their heart where they just want to try something different, and whether it's creatively or musically, just to expand their reach more.
So I think there's a lot of different ways it could go as far as why they want to do it.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, for me, like, the Venn diagram of words.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: When we use the word worship album. Right. Like, it's pretty expansive to include most of his previous stuff. I mean, honestly.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: But I understand the way we're funneling in on that. And personally, I. I enjoy when people are expanding the. The, you know, the vocabulary of worship. The sound, the whole thing. So I. It's a good thing.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: What do you think of the argument that I'm sure people are going to think or say of? Like, isn't all Christian music worship?
Do you agree?
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Yes and no.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: We just got done talking about Family Force 5. Like, do you think that's worship?
[00:26:25] Speaker A: Yes,
[00:26:28] Speaker B: I like the. The. The. The pitch elevation, because that doesn't. That means you probably don't believe yourself.
[00:26:33] Speaker A: No, I mean, believe myself. I mean, maybe Cal, you could have more input there. But I would say, like, for me, it's. It's a very large. My lines there are probably beyond what most people's are. Right. Like, I remember one time my friend, he put on what's that song? One Night in Bangkok, and I had a worshipful experience listening to it that night. I don't know why. I mean, it's not like a.
That's not a worship song.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Not at all.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: But I had a worshipful experience. So does that count?
[00:27:06] Speaker B: That's a good question. Does it count?
[00:27:08] Speaker C: I think it really comes down to your heart posture and, like, just the way that you're feeling impacted by what you're listening to. And I know God can work through any genre, really, to reach people, because I know I've experienced that even with country music, rock music, whatever.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: You don't like country music?
[00:27:26] Speaker C: No, I sang. I actually love country music, so.
But yeah, I know I've definitely, like. I've been able to, like, hear God through, like I said, songs like that. And I think it's important to have those type of songs where, like, it connects us as humans and we can relate to each other and we can relate to what God's trying to tell us. And, like, it's important to remember that he's there with us and, like, through the good times, the bad times, and all of that. And then it is also important to have the songs, like, where you're just singing the praise back to him and focusing solely on that as well.
But, yeah, I love it when you can have the mixture of that at shows and different things like that.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: One of the things that we always kind of come up against is I think that it seems like the audience nowadays, especially younger people, would rather have that worship experience than have the fire and the lasers and the big production.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: I see what you mean by fire.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, not the holy spirit fire and the fire that's from. Yeah. Like, do you guys. Do you guys agree with me that it's almost like the audience would rather have, like, that worshipful Experience where they're not only connecting with the artist, but the. They're connecting with God in, like, a worshipful way or, like. Because I feel like sometimes it's almost like an issue at Kingdom Bound. Like, it feels like the worship set is replacing the entertaining set.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: Again, I think it just really comes down to that's kind of an individual thing and how you react to it. I know for me, like, I can think of a couple artists, like, Ren Collective's really good at it, and Jason Gray is another one where you're hearing all these songs that are about real life and they're completely different, but then at the end of their shows, they'll just strip away everything else and they'll do an a cappella version of just a medley of either hymn choruses or worship choruses. And that's a really cool thing to just be a part of. And it takes me back to summer camp and sitting around the fire and singing the songs like that. So that really puts me in that mindset. And I know a lot of times with Jason and Ren Collective, they'll just exit the stage while the audience is finishing that. And I think that's just such a nice, neat way to just, like, leave things, you know, where you're kind of in that state, and it just helps you kind of refocus and be like, yeah, we had all this fun, but it's time to get back to it. But as far as it being, like, a takeover, I see this is the thing where I will. I love the big production shows, but I also love the more intimate acoustic nights, too. So for me, it's both. And it just depends on, like, I can have a blast listening to Skillet and seeing them, but then somebody, like I said with Jason, where he's all acoustic.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:10] Speaker C: And all of that. So for me, it just really depends. And for me, personally, I can experience, like, a worshipful time and God through both.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
One of my favorite memories of Kingdom Bound, probably in the last 10 or 15 years, was the band was doing a lot of fun songs, entertaining songs, and the most of the band goes off for a changeover.
And the changeover, it's kind of like when they take a break in the middle of a set. Oh, sure. And so they go to get water or change their clothes or something. And it was just the lead singer and a guitarist on stage. And the lead singer is kind of sharing his heart and sharing a message, a brief message. But then he does the song turn your eyes upon Jesus, and it was just. And everything just Kind of got quiet and life seemed to slow down and you know, you, you kind of became more aware of just God's presence there. And so, yeah, I could see the, I could see what you're saying about like power in both. Right. Like you, like you experience the highs and the entertainment, but then that makes those, those, those lows or those slower times, quieter times, even more impactful.
[00:31:19] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. Because it, like it stills your spirit a bit and helps you, like I said, to kind of just refocus.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: Well, I mean, one thought I did before you jumped in, which I liked what you had to say.
For some reason Asbury came to mind.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Now the college gives.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. So we can put to side, was it a revival or renewal? You know what the arguments were? Okay, let's just put that over here. Not about that, just about the. But what happened, right. Like all the people I talked to that went like a. It wasn't like it was top notch musicianship or, you know, it's just young people who probably knew seven chords and maybe that was it, you know, and missed some notes.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:07] Speaker A: But something else was happening, right. And so I've definitely experienced that something else in Edmund, in my brothers just laying out three chords on a grand piano.
And people want to deconstruct a lot of that. And sure, there's an argument to be made about flow state and all these things, but I've had other moments in all the environments, including secular concerts, that blew my mind, you know, and would, to use the word, it was worshipful, full of worship.
So, yeah, bringing it back to full circle. Asbury, like, to me, I don't think to the question you said, like, yeah, I think that is what a lot of young people specifically are hungry for the real thing.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: I don't typically have the same experiences that you do of. You seem to find God's presence in, in pretty much anything.
And I think I live a little bit more compartmentalized in my life. And I'm not saying you're and I'm right or I'm right and you're wrong. But like, so, so for someone who wants to be a little more sensitive to God in all these different areas, what, what advice would you give them?
[00:33:35] Speaker A: Whoa, what a question. Okay, first thing I think honestly is judgment.
Because like, let's just say he grew up in the suburbs with traditionally more white style worship, right? And then, you know, the first time someone might go into a cogic church, right, and see some people moving differently
[00:34:08] Speaker B: than you brought different style of music Often, yeah.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: First thing is, well, that's not real. Like, that's not. That's not this.
[00:34:19] Speaker B: Or. Yeah.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: Or this. Yeah, both are great. They're different though. Right. So, like, I find that I've had to work through a lot of preconceived ideas and judgment around what is worship. Right. And through years, I'm not. I mean, I still got it.
We're all. I'm a work in progress. That's all I'm trying to say. But I have worked through a lot of it where it gets beyond my.
My own expression and to work through it, you can see, like, well, the. The same thing that I'm after is in this thing also.
That would be my.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: That's the first.
Just coming into a situation without any preconceived notion of what your experience is going to be or what the result will be and just being open to God, being in that moment no matter what.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: And then often I find like, whoa, he. Something just got realigned. Or I heard something or experienced something, etc.
[00:35:23] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because it can just, like you say, it can just be in very unexpected ways. So when you go in without any kind of like, oh, well, I'm going to experience this in this way or I'm going to feel this when I'm done. You just go in and just let it flow naturally and how it just will choose to affect you and how you respond.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: So Family Force 5 highest.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: What if Family Force 5 did a worship album?
[00:35:56] Speaker A: It is all worship album. I think that's what we just discovered. Very true.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: I walked that back.
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[00:37:26] Speaker B: All right, everybody, that'll do it for this episode of the Kingdom Bound Insider podcast. But here's the deal. We had such a good time with Kelly that we decided that we were going to take all the stuff we shot with her and create a two part episode. This is like a huge two part episode, so make sure you turn it. Tune in next week, next week, May 10th for the second part of this conversation with Kelly. Got some really great stuff to say and we have some fun playing a game that Chris has for me and Kelly. See who comes out on top on that game. Next week, May 10th, second part of our conversation with Kelly. Hey, thanks for listening. Make sure you subscribe, find us on all major platforms for podcasts and check us out on YouTube. Thanks for hanging out with us on this one and we will see you on the next one.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: Take it easy.
